Daddy02Last week, Cesar Millan's 16 year old pit bull, Daddy, died.  It isn't often that the death of a dog because of old age makes national headlines -- including a full page article/photo in this week's People Magazine -- but Daddy was different. 

In so many ways he represented what many 'pit bull' advocates love about these types of dogs -- and what we know all of them can be when they have good owners.  Daddy was often the passive, calm dog when other dogs were not so calm. And many in the nation fell in love with the dog. RIP Daddy.

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Seeing Millan and Daddy in People last week inspired me to write this post. While loved by many, Cesar Millan has become highly controversial figure among canine behaviorists and dog trainers. Millan has become the face of what many trainers call Dominance Training for dogs -- and a popular face at that. For the many trainers across the nation more strongly favor purely positive dog training techniques, Dominance training becomes the face of cruelty in dog training -- and they would love to see Dominance Training die.*

* Tip, if you want Dominance Training to die, you can start by at least admitting it CAN be successful but there are better ways. It remains because it can work to rehabilitate dogs. Admitting that first will give you more credibility.

It doesn't take much digging to find articles criticizing Millan's training techniques and calling animal cruelty. The Anti-Cesar Millan facebook group has nearly 3,000 members -- some of who are regular readers of this blog or that I know personally.

And while I understand their criticisms of Millan, I never cease to be amazed at the all-or-nothing attitude that seems to exist in this country where we feel like we have to take polarized views on someone we don't agree with 100%. In reality, Millan has done a lot more good than harm in the animal welfare movement....and even if he's not perfect (who is?!), many animals are in a lot better place now because of him.

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Cesar is a celebrity. Millions of people watch his TV program each week, and both of his books, Cesar's Way, and Be a Pack Leader, sold over 1 million copies. He has reached millions of people with his message.

While some may consider this a bad thing, it depends, I guess, on what message he's talking about. And he has many messages - -and most of them are things people need to hear. 

1) Dogs are a product of their owners. If your dog is misbehaving, it is because of something that you did - -not something that is the fault of the dog.

2) Dogs need Exercise, Discipline and Affection. In that order. No one would dispute the 1st and 3rd need, but it's the second one that is everyone's hang up. Discipline, to me, means that your dog needs rules, boundaries and expectations. Without them, the dog will misbehave and cause problems.

3) All dogs, even 'pit bulls', can be great dogs with proper training. In fact, I would be hard pressed to find many places that have placed bully breeds in a more positive light.

4) On this front, Millan has been vocal against pit bull bans in various parts of the country. "Banning the dog doesn't solve the problem; it only creates fear and ignorance."

5) All dogs deserve a chance to be rehabilitated -- and usually can be.

6) At the end of every show now he signs off with a note to spay and neuter your pet.

7) Chaining dogs is not an appropriate way to contain a dog and can lead to behavioral issues in the dog.

It's hard to believe that a man who sends these messages out to millions of people through different media could have so many animal welfare people dislike him.

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Four years ago, I stood in the doorway of a city council meeting in Leavenworth, KS because the city council chambers was full. After a couple a pretty major dog attacks in the Kansas City area, and a rash of hysteria brought on by the local media, Leavenworth, like many cities in the metro, was discussing potentially banning pit bulls from the community.

At one point, one of the city council members noted that he confessed to not really knowing a lot about dogs -- but he had watched the Dog Whisperer and there were pit bulls on that show that were really good dogs and that it sure seemed like the dogs were just a reflection of their owners. Leavenworth passed a really good dog ordinance that night because they decided to focus their legislation on dog owners, not on breeds of dogs.  The positive, and correct message, had gotten through.

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Positive dog trainers typically don't like Millan. They see his training methods as often barbaric and cruel. I've watched a lot of his episodes....and it is seldom that I see him doing anything that could be misconstrued as actual cruelty.  It's important to note here too, that Millan doesn't start with a small puppy that is completely moldable and just positively training the dog to sit/stay/etc -- where certainly treat training is simple and easy.

The reason he got the call was because someone had so majorly screwed up their dog that it is severely messed up. Often, this shows itself in a form of severe aggression. Often, the owner has called Millan because the trainer they tried to work with said the dog should be euthanized. 

He's not working with a blank slate.

While I realize that good positive-only dog trainers are able to curb these behaviors using their positive training techniques, it does seem at least logical, and not abusive, to use some form of corrective behavior in order to get the dog to cease acting aggressively, and begin to focus on other training.

However, positive trainers see quick pokes and alpha rolls and paint him as an abusive trainer.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

What makes the situation worse for these trainers, they end up seeing the dogs that come in because their owner has screwed them up even more trying to emulate Millan. In spite of the disclaimers that owners shouldn't try these techniques at home, people do. We not the most brilliant of species, and we do try what we see on TV -- which is why there are millions of YouTube videos of painful-looking falls of people who have tried to copy something they watched during the X Games.

These dog owners try to do what Millan does -- but lack what is probably his greatest asset which is incredibly quick hands and excellent timing to redirect unwanted behavior before the behavior actually starts. But because they screw it up, their dog becomes worse behaved, not better behaved.

Trainers see these dogs and think it is Millan's fault. In some ways maybe it is. In other ways I wonder if the owners would have ever taken an active-enough interest in their dogs to even try in the first place. We'll never really know for sure. But the end result is that at least the owner realizes that the dog's behavior is bad and it is their job to fix it. Which isn't the worst end result imaginable.

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It is often funny for me to read when people write about how Millan only uses dominance training and never uses a positive reinforcement approach. But even that is not really true.

Often, Cesar takes dogs to the "Dog Psychology Center" where the dogs live with Cesar's pack so they can become 'more balanced'. When the owners come to see the dog for the first time at the Dog Psychology Center, he always says to the owner "No Talk, No Touch, No Eye Contact." The idea is that the dog will misbehave at first and the dog won't get what it wants (to be paid attention to) until it settles down. Once the dog is calm again, the owners are then allowed to interact with the dog -- which is pretty classic positive reinforcement.

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I don't expect anyone to change their mind on Cesar Millan. I know how passionate people who are involved in purely positive dog training are about their craft....and I can appreciate that. And I realize that when these people see Millan, and folks that tried his methods on their own and failed, he represents everything that is wrong (in their mind) with dog trainers.

But I think it's still important to acknowledge the overarching messages that he tries, successfully in my opinion, to get across in his program. Primarily, your dog is a reflection of you as an owner. If the dog is aggressive, or ill-behaved, it's your fault.  Not the dog's.

And meanwhile, it is hard for me to imagine anyone who has had a greater, further reaching impact on how people view bully breeds than Millan.  Certainly, very few find themselves with a feature in People magazine with their 'pit bull'.

Sometimes I think, in efforts to discourage his training practices, people become too anti-Cesar Millan. They have become so frustrated with the people that are "doing it wrong" that they feel forced to break down the man they feel represents that training style.

I say it's fine to discourage the training style, but leave the man alone. His larger overarching message is too good of one to just throw out in your dislike of the methods of how he got there.

Additional links:

One Bark at a Time has a funny story of a family of Cesar Millan fans that come visit the shelter.

Dog Spelled Forward is one of the positive dog trainers who really dislikes Cesar. Eric does a good job in his breakdowns of the episodes and what he sees as good and bad with his training. I don't always agree with his comments, but I at least respect that he actually watches the episodes and dislikes them based on the actual information that is in the shows.  Here is one breakdown of an episode "Chihuahuas from Hell"  There is a second one with a dog named Bella. I really liked the second one for a couple of reasons: 1) I thought this was a particularly interesting episode of the show when I watched it before seeing Eric's post and 2) I thought it was a particularly interesting read on how much Eric actually AGREED with what Cesar was doing...even though he is a purely positive trainer and typically doesn't like Cesar.

What the Dog Saw - a great article on Cesar from Malcolm Gladwell that ran in the New Yorker and is the title of Gladwell's newest book.  If you've never read this article, you should make the time to do so.

Yes Biscuit! - Things I've Learned from Cesar Millan

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March 6, 2010, 10:28 am
I love ceasar and watch him everyday. I am so sorry that daddy died and i know ceasar and his family are heartbroken. I will miss daddy but will continue to watch ceasar.
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March 6, 2010, 10:33 am
I am so sorry to hear about Big Daddys death, Cesar loved him and retired him quite a while ago. Cesar is am amazing person. I watch his show ALL the time, and have learned much, as I'm sure his viewers have.
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March 6, 2010, 10:35 am
Dear KC, I often watch Cesar here in England and love his pit bulls. We have the same mentality here with regard to this breed "ban Them they are dangerous" but I agree with Cesar and the verdict in Leavenworth, the blame is normally the owners NOT the dog.
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March 6, 2010, 10:35 am
i have contacted "purely positive" type dog trainers who have said my dog is hopeless and needed to be "put down" If not for the alternative provided by Cesar's methods my beautiful Neapolitan Mastiff would have been doomed by the very people who criticize him. What's more abusive? Boot camp type training for hard to train dogs? Or murdering a perfectly healthy animal?
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March 6, 2010, 10:40 am
I have watched both Cesar's show, and the dog town show. I believe that unlike Dog Whisperer, dog town believes in only positive training.
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March 6, 2010, 10:41 am
My whole comment is that dog town has never fixed a dog that I didn't think Cesar could have had that done in seconds.
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March 6, 2010, 10:42 am
In the purely us against them attitude positive people don't understand it is the situation and asking a dog to do something sometimes isn't the answer and begging them to do it isn't either. Sometimes the just need to be told.
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March 6, 2010, 10:50 am
You have to do what works best for you and your dog. I have a pit bull/lab mix. I used Cesar's methods combined with the method's of another "Dog Whisperer" Paul Owens.
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March 6, 2010, 12:21 pm
Cesar's methods are based on the dogs natural instincts, instead of trying to make the dog seem "human". Most ignorant people who try Ceasar's methods and fail do not understand the naturalistic part of the dog, it's natural language, what calm assertive actually is, and consistency. They just think it's gestures and noises they do and then the dog "magically" obeys instead of really talking in the dog's, Canis lupus familiaris "language." What they fail to see is reading the dog properly and being able to deliver it's language back. I've been trained in his method long before his show even existed, in the 80's when I was a tot. Through the dogs I've had and friend's dogs I've helped, this method has worked every time. Every single one, including my former pit bull is a very balanced, well behaved, happy dog.
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March 6, 2010, 12:38 pm
I have adopted a lot of dogs. The first thing that seams to calm them is to let them know that there is plenty of food. If a dog takes another dogs food he is diciplined, seperated, reassured and given another of what ever the dog he stole from had.. believe it or not this works.
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March 6, 2010, 12:48 pm
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As a mother of 2 teenagers, I've seen how screwed up kids become when their parents try coddling rather than discipline. There's not a living thing out there -- animal or person -- that doesn't benefit from discipline and knowing they can rely on the pack leader for guidance. ANY kind of dog training that's effective is just fine, but I find Cesar so effective because he makes it very clear to the dog who the leader of the pack is and he doesn't waver or back down. How can anyone possibly consider his techniques cruelty? If that's their definition of cruelty, then where does Michael Vick fall? Or Jane Goodall? I loved watching Daddy lope around the Center as calm as could be, and I grieve for Cesar and his family. Leave Cesar alone. Just because you can't do what he's doing, or choose to do it a different way, it doesn't mean he's doing something wrong.
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March 6, 2010, 12:49 pm
Though I've only seen the show a couple of times, in my opinion, the purely positive trainers don't really know what they're talking about. Dogs have pack mentalities, and in a pack, there is a leader. You certainly can't allow your dog to be the leader in your home "pack", so you have to be. It's not abusive at all to let a dog know in it's own "language" if you will, that you are the boss, and doing things that displease you is not okay. With my two dogs and the other three dogs I've owned in the past 6 years or so, I've had a lot of success with molding their behavior by letting them know what I won't allow, and they get to be very obedient. It's amazing to me how one growl from me gets immediate obedience. One dog I had for awhile(a pit bull/rottweiler mix) was, as you can imagine, very stocky. Anytime anyone opened the side gate to the backyard, even if utmost precaution was taken, he'd rhino his way through and in the aftermath you'd find yourself sitting on the ground wondering how hard it'd be to catch him this time. But after I took some time everyday to let him know I was the top dog, all I had to do was this: Growl once, he'd back up. Growl a second time, he'd sit. And a third time, he'd lay down. Then I could open the gate, swing it all the way open even, and he'd stay in place, until I shut it. Well I guess I've sort of rambled, but I just firmly believe that there is NOTHING wrong with "dominance" training, saying it's inhumane is ridiculous.
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March 6, 2010, 3:23 pm
Seems Cesar follows Nature and how dogs act in the wild . How can that be wrong? Some dogs may be trained by the reward system but the more aggresive breeds need domiance training.Cesar takes the tough cases and his system works. Think some trainers are jealous! Steve M Brooksville Fl..
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March 6, 2010, 3:29 pm
Great article ... very well said!
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March 6, 2010, 4:30 pm
Any dog training show that has the caveat "Do not try this at home.."
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March 6, 2010, 4:32 pm
wow this site just erased my entire comment but the first part of the first sentence. Oh well, too tired to re-write it now, will attempt it later.
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March 6, 2010, 5:11 pm
Absolutely wonderful blog about Cesar. Thank you! You have captured the issues and the different sides of the debate perfectly.
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March 6, 2010, 5:52 pm
Cesar is not abusive. He rocks, I follow Cesar's philosophies and my dog rocks, she is not intimidated by me, she is well behaved and well balanced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shoot my grandson was walking her at the age of 2 and she was barely one at the time..
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March 6, 2010, 8:47 pm
For a long time, I've thought I was the only one who realized these facts about Cesar. Everybody I talk to either loves him, or hates him, but they can never say why. I have A LOT of respect for Cesar, and he truly does what others cannot. Cesar does not use purely "dominance training." In fact, he only uses dominance training to break a dog down, just to build him/her back up through positive reinforcement. Isn't this similar to what the military does with some of their "rowdiest" enlistees? It is not harmful to the dogs, and it is the only reason many of the dogs he has worked with are alive.
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March 6, 2010, 10:42 pm
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I learned a lot from watching Cesars' show and especially enjoyed the times he had Daddy with him
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March 7, 2010, 5:41 am
The methods I learned through Cesar probably saved my rescue dogs. I have never seen anyone take the 'impossible cases' like he does and make such incredible changes... in both human and dog!!! This man know what he is doing!!!!
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March 7, 2010, 5:42 am
PS.... I am so sorry for your loss Cesar!
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March 7, 2010, 4:08 pm
The truth is not 'somewhere in the middle'. Cesar's critics are just not very observant, pure and simple. Some people believe man didn't land on the moon. Some people believe there was no Holocaust. Some people believe Mao was a good guy. Some people believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Some people watch a single snippet from one of 350 dog rehabilitations and jump onto a soapbox of misinformed righteous indignation. Some people ____. The reluctance with which this article's author grudgingly admires a Few aspects of Cesar's multifaceted expertise is really quite palpable. You can feel the author's pain at having to admit Cesar isn't a baby-eating monster. He keeps slipping in lots of 'then again...' comments, such as 'the truth is somewhere in the middle', when in fact the truth is nothing of the sort. Sprinklings of "critics say ... blah blah" instead of "I saw such and such and here is what *I* have to say about what *I* saw" get tiring very quickly. _____ The author's admiration for the Cesar-bashing Eric from the blog DogSpelledForward is particularly disappointing. Eric did 3 hatchet jobs on 3 of the 'Chihuahuas From Hell' segments, yet admits that he never actually Watched the shows where the ENTIRE time with those dogs was shown. People who have watched these Complete episodes have seen how happy the dogs and their owners are as a result, how effusively they praise Cesar for his long-lasting effect on their dog's and their own lives, how grateful and full of admiration they are. Other episodes that include these same people (100th Episode Celebration, Lives Changed) show how these people become so impressed with the man, because they've seen how his Gentle yet Disciplined approach is so life-altering. This Eric guy watches none of the full episodes, speculates ignorantly as to how these people feel long-term, misinterprets what little he sees, and then runs a blog where criticisms are DELETED rather than responded to in an intellectually honest manner. His approach is that of a restaurant critic who thinks the soup was too creamy and then leaves, without trying anything else on the menu, and writes a multi-part series on how miserable all the food is in that whole section of town. Hardly a critic worth reading. The author of This article would do well to avoid the same intellectual hole Eric occupies.
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March 8, 2010, 6:08 am
Amen to that!!! The day I see a pack of dogs positively re-enforcing each other in an aggressive situation, is the day I'll honestly convert. Thanks for a great article.
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March 8, 2010, 7:26 pm
I re-read this article just now and actually think now I owe the author a bit of an apology. On second reading my impression of the author's viewpoint is that it is much less anti-Cesar than what I concluded on first reading. Next time I'll read the article twice before going off so strongly on one small aspect of an otherwise quite reasonable presentation. While the article was full of what seemed to me to be 'faint praise', it was, on second reading, praise nonetheless.
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March 9, 2010, 4:16 pm
I miss Cesear on TV!!! You are the Greatest, not only very wise and intunitive, but your sensive, truly care.:.) APPEARS YOU TRULY CARE ABOUT HELPING THE oWNERS Your definetly use alot of patience, I know you've proven so many times that you have to train the owners, in all the different ways to treat their dogs like a dear pet, To many people I've met, I've told them you can't find anyone that has all the characterists, of a Very conshenios, individual, I really enjoyed it when you have your sons involed, and when there was a big celebration, I tink it was in honor of you, then I got to see your wife, and the whole FAM
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March 9, 2010, 7:57 pm
i have 4 pits and frum the time thay weer born thay are all bruthers .iv did all the traning just like cesears .i wallk them all at the same time thay are all the best dogs iv ever had and iv had a lot of dogs threw the years. thak u so much cesear just ceap on doing wut u do best .u r in my book.i love you and youer famly and daddy will be missed'god bless
MARCH 10, 2010, 2:33 PM
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Wow I really have to say this is an excellent article, thank you
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March 10, 2010, 10:12 pm
Just like with children, you cannot raise them all the same, dogs have personalities too. If you ever watch the Nanny, it's the same thing but I'm sure there are lots of therapists/teachers etc that don't think children should be raised the way she teaches and just like children yes, dogs need boundries (it helps give them security)they need attention, exercise, good food, companionship. Ceaser teaches the basics just as any trainer would they just have different approaches to those basics, just like teachers and parents have different approaches to raising children. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong and just cause something works in one case doesn't mean it will work in all cases!
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March 11, 2010, 5:16 am
Not ALL dogs need or react to dominance training in a positive way! For example- I have a redbone & black/tan coonhound, my redbone needs to be reminded that I am in charge (dominance training works for her). My black and tan reacts to positive training, treat - comand- touchy-feely ways. These dogs are not hunted, and both need to work their prey-drive out, (do what there bred to do). Plenty - PLENTY of exercise. Training will be differant with all kinds of dogs. Cesar is NOT the most loving, cuddle guy!
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March 16, 2010, 7:58 am
Hes not the most loving cuddle guy...makes no sense. If he was not loving he wouldnt have so many dogs and help people who have unruly dogs. I would say he is one of the most dog loving people on earth. You people who think ur pets are your kids and allow them to terrorize your home and other animals need a cesar to "human" whisper you. Dogs, like kids need rules, and bounderies in order to get along and be well balanced. I get soo sick of all this stuff where you are not allowed to even look at your dog wrong or its abuse, but if they dont listen with pos. training then you have to put them down because they are just purely bad. Some people need to get a clue, and get their heads out of the clouds.
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March 16, 2010, 9:35 am
RAINBOW BRIDGEJust this side of Heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge. When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable. All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor. Those who are hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing
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March 16, 2010, 12:18 pm
Very, very, very well written blog! I'm a huge believer in what Cesar does with dogs and use his philosophy with my dogs. Regardless of that, I will actually willingly and open mindedly listen to anyone who can RESPECTFULLY explain why they don't use Cesar's methods. Quick note on that, I find it's the philosophy that's more important than any method. I find that too many people do exactly what this blog's author says-they crucify Cesar because people use his philosophy wrong. If I jump on a treadmill and do sprints at 15mph for an hour and collapse in exhaustion, is it my fault or the company who made the treadmill? Mine of course!____-Tiffany
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March 16, 2010, 12:44 pm
Just know they posted this article on the anit-csar page on Facebook. If you get a lot of anti Cesar messages, these are where the are coming from. I am a member, bc I find it fascinating to try and understand the reasoning of these people, so note to author, the 3000 members of that page are not all anit-cesar. We have spies on the inside! LOL
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March 16, 2010, 12:57 pm
If all these other dog trainers were so good, they'd have their own show. CM is not a trainer, he is a rehabilitator - look up the word. There is a world of difference.
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March 16, 2010, 1:14 pm
i watch the show all the time .. i have 3 pits n i think they r the most loven dogs ive ever had.. i feel 4 cesar rite now in his time of loss.. i had to put down my babys after 12 n 14 yrs with them n it like to of killed me n swear i would never have a dog again.. than i found enzo a fawn pit that was very sice i fell in love with him i paid $200 for him n put about $300 into make him better.. 2 weeks later i got a wht pit (demon) $100 a little bit like scooby doo n hard headed but a good lovin dog my boys r a 1yr n 7 months .. on feb 18th i bought my 4 my bday.. i got a 6 week old female (cheka) 4 $50.. granted they all dont have papers but to know that no 1 can turn them into fighter or abuse them i will pay millions 4 my dogs... i have got alot out of watchin cesar n his pack n hope i can be the leader of my pack.. all my love sent to cesar n daddy ..much love n respect to them both ..
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March 16, 2010, 2:07 pm
I find this really interesting
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March 16, 2010, 2:10 pm
For some reason, not my whole post is showing...
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March 16, 2010, 2:12 pm
I find this really interesting, as you assume that either you're like Cesar, or your positive only. There happens to be a middle ground. Now, let me get one thing clear - there are some things Cesar does that I applaud. Namely, his feelings and stance towards breed-specific legislation, he does lots of fund-raising, and as a whole, he has brought training in general to the public eye. That I admire. Beyond that, I have my doubts about his techniques. I just can't believe in a man whose solution to every problem is "dominance." I also have no patience for people who threaten dogs. I 100% agree with discipline, but not abuse. So, lets define Discipline: from the dictionary.com website, this is the first entry "training to act in accordance with rules." Nowhere does it state that it's okay to threaten, coerce, and abuse. Now, many people talk about 'bribing' as the method of positive reinforcers (which it isn't) and I personally wonder what make coercion better, which the definition is this "to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, esp. without regard for individual desire or volition". Cesar doesn't bribe either; he coerces. This bothers me. He walks into peoples home, and tells them what their dogs should be, and what you should want from your dog (blanket statements, and you yourself should decide what your own expectations are) and then forces your dog to comply. Where is the freedom of choice? Here is what happens to a dog when you eliminate choice or an escape: http://www.uspcak9.com/training/vol1no3.pdf
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March 16, 2010, 2:12 pm
So, now we have established what Cesar really does. Now, let me redefine positive reinforcement for you. Giving your dog a treat for a job well done and following a request. This is like you receiving a paycheque for going to work. Would you go to work if you weren't paid? When was the last time you stayed late for free? And if you did, did you complain about it? What if you were forced to go to work, with no pay, and were threatened constantly? How would you feel? How would you respond? How can you reasonably expect any sentient being with a choice to feel okay about a situation like that? The other problem I have with Cesar is he never gives alternate behaviours. "No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Psst. Psst. Psst. Psst. Psst. Psst. Psst." Positive Reinforcement goes more like this "No Jumping. Sit? Good Sit. I will pet you now. No, you're jumping again. Sit? good sit, I will pet you again. If you remain sitting, I will pet you. If you jump, I will stop." Essentially, you give your dog the tool (command) it needs to complete the job, and the choice to either comply and get the reward, or persist and be ignored.
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March 16, 2010, 2:13 pm
The other major problem I have with Cesar is his "dogs-live-in-a-pack-like-wolves" theory, which has been disproven numerous amounts of time by all levels of experts in the wolf field. Essentially, he is basing all his Canis-Familiarias (domestic dog) knowledge on the faulty research on the Canis-Lupis (wolf) species. I am a firm believer that you need to actually study the species you are referring to. Also very important is to realize that the term "alpha wolf" was misleading, and the man who coined the term (L. David Mech) has said he was wrong. Wolves don't live in "packs" really, just families with a Mom & Dad, parental units, and assorted offspring. Essentially, any wolf that lives long enough becomes an "alpha" for it's own family unit. Wolves don't fight for power, in the same way you were raised by your parents, and you respected them, and when you went and had kids, they fell in line as well. So, maybe I can't change your minds. That's okay, it's clearly your choice.
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March 16, 2010, 2:14 pm
Keep in mind: A lot of the people on the Anti-Cesar board are certified trainers, and also cross-over trainers (people who started with dominance theory, and moved to positive reinforcement), myself included. I pride myself on continued learning, and Cesar takes pride in not changing (learned everything he knows from Grandpa). That should set off some red flags. How many people do you know that, once they come to adulthood, refuse to learn new techniques, new skills and new technologies? You'd call that person ignorant, stupid, and you'd probably avoid them. Keep in mind, that's what Cesar does by using these techniques from observing the near-feral dogs at the farm. So, go ahead. Jab your dog. Hiss at him. Kick him with whatever pressure you feel you need. Flip him over on his back, choke him (sorry, correct), even throw a pinch collar on to ad extra pain. Expose him to his wildest fear. And tell him to just put up with it because "you say so," and offer no further explanation. Then punish him when he tries to defend himself from you. Look in to his deep brown eyes and feel nothing for him but your own greedy need for power, to dominate, and to kick a helpless animal that depends on you so far down that he is sick with fear in your very presence. Essentially, every one decides what type of dog they would like to live with. I guess that's the type you want; the type that fears your wrath and therefore obeys.
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March 16, 2010, 2:15 pm
Okay. I, on the other hand, will correct gently and verbally, offer alternate behaviours, and never have to look into my dogs innocent eyes and feel ashamed about what I have to do in order to get her to obey. She does it because it's rewarding for her, whether it's just my approval, or treat now and again. I guess I would just rather not have to terrify my dog on a daily basis in order to keep the order. I will sleep well tonight. To each their own. P.S. Some of these other trainers do have shows. Their names are Patricia Stilwell, and she is on Animal Planet. The trainers on "Under Dog to Wonder Dog," also on Animal Planet. The trainers on "Dog Town" on National Geographic. And I know it's not a TV show, but the people at the College of Veterinary Behaviour are generally the acknowledged experts. They are too busy conducting and testing research to have a show. I know, not as fascinating, and also a little too sciency. This post is deliberately extreme - I have not read one response that says anything about positive other than to insult the method. If I can get one of you to stop, just for a minute, before you choke your dog, kick your dog, or alpha roll your dog and question and wonder if there might be a better way, then I have done my job.
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March 16, 2010, 2:27 pm
I'm not going to get into the whole CM argument but re: "dagoom's" comment
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March 16, 2010, 2:28 pm
I'm not going to get into the whole CM argument but re: "dagoom's" comment; please don't imply that other trainers & behaviourists don't have their own shows because we're no good! I'm a behaviourist that - like many others - has helped countless dogs and their owners over the years. Unfortunately helping dogs through gentler, kinder, more careful techniques doesn't make great tv. I've done radio work in the past and was horrified by how the production team tried to pressure me into dangerous practices just to be more 'entertaining' to the audience. Sometimes doing it quick ain't doing it right...
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March 16, 2010, 3:02 pm
The simple truth is that those who eschew Cesar's methods are not opposed to dogs needing exercise or needing owners who "get it" - they oppose his methods because the science doesn't mesh with his assertion that nearly every problem is due to dogs wanting to dominate their humans. We now know that dogs do not create linear hierarchies, and most of what they do is in the name of simply seeking the things they want. Once you understand that, you can manipulate a dog's behavior by controlling the resources that it wants. Rewards don't always need to be in the form of "treats" - in fact, you can teach a dog to wait politely merely by not opening the door until he does. If he wants to go out, he waits first - nothing in life is free. Positive trainers are *not* permissive, and they don't start with a "blank slate" any more than other trainers do. However, they are interested in pursuing the same goal of "rehabilitating" dogs that need to learn how to live successfully within human families. They simply refuse to use techniques that are outdated, not because they don't work, but because there is another, more humane way to train that is even more effective.
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March 16, 2010, 5:23 pm
I watch TDW and other dog shows often. I have never seen a dog yelp in pain or retaliate in fear with Cesar - they respect him AND he respects his human clients, as well as giving them useful advice backed by reason. We cannot expect to apply human traits to animals, but we can be fair and kind in a way they 'get'. Not too many people can go for a run in the hills with a pack of 30 off leash dogs and show up back home with all accounted for ! I watch Dog Town and applaud them, but can often see where Cesar would rehab some of the dogs in a way the dogs would understand better and faster. By the way, has anyone noticed that CM is not critical in the way that others criticize him ?
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March 16, 2010, 10:41 pm
San Diego
It's fascinating to me how people can see what Cesar does so vastly differently. Even myself...when the show first started
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March 16, 2010, 11:02 pm
San Diego
Great, just wrote a LOT, and only the first sentence and half is showing. Ugh. So, anyway, when the show first started, I liked it. I was swinging away from being overzealous with purely positive methods at the time, and in the half hour segments, a lot of stuff made sense. Then it went to an hour (I've seen every episode), and it became so evident that Cesar's perception is that we need to dominate our dogs in order to get along with them, and get them to be what we want. If we don't, they will overthrow us. Yes, Cesar does good, yes, he's a nice guy (we've met), and applause for helping a maligned breed. I just wish he would evolve a little, and be open to modern training methods. Does anyone see zookeepers training wild animals using force, coercion, domination? How about for film, like Bart the bear? No, you see relationship based training, employing positive reinforcement. I'd like to see anyone pin a Grizzly to teach them "who's in charge"... Yet, we feel we must with dogs, so they'll understand. They know we are not dogs. We don't need to use coercion, bullying, to get them to do what we want. So admit that dominance training is successful? Define success. Squashing dog's behavior so it doesn't show on the outside, and causing fear, and intimidation isn't what I would define as success. Sure, it might take longer to do things more methodically, but, it sticks, doesn't repress behavior, it truly changes it through shaping. People love the quick fix. Some seem to love thinking of themselves as "alpha" over their dog. I'm not my dog's alpha, I am his friend. And, guess what? It didn't create a "red zone", despite his being a powerful breed, German Shepherd, and me being "weak energy", in a wheelchair, female, and not always super assertive. I get the behavior I want, because that's how he gets what he wants. All good things come through me. My relationship is what is key, and I do not want an adversarial one. I don't want submission, I want cooperation. And I get it, I've got a dog that's utterly devoted to me. And horrors, he gets to walk ahead of me, go through doors first, and any of the other host of no-no's espoused by DW types. Train with your brain, not brawn.
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March 17, 2010, 12:37 am
Actually, Cesar does evolve and has done so over the many seasons of the Dog Whisperer. He more often uses reward-based training where it is effective and appropriate -- as he did with the little shi-tzu (Josie?) who was a terrible poop eater. He has called in clicker trainers, retrieval experts and has worked in tandem with other trainers to help dogs. He differs from positive reinforcement only trainers in that he is not reluctant to physically correct the dog when it is called for -- and often it is in the cases he handles. Mind you, these are not kicks and beatings, these are quick pokes and taps -- not so different than actions we might use with people to get their attention or snap them out of a particular mood or state of consciousness. ____In fact, Cesar is probably more flexible and has a larger repertoire of techniques than many dog rehabilitationists.____This article in a really good one about Cesar and about Daddy. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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March 17, 2010, 2:29 pm
Cesar's clients don't get a 'quick fix'. The humans are given homework so they can work with their dog. May I once more reiterate - CM is not a trainer - he rehabilitates dogs with issues. Anybody can 'train' a dog to sit, etc.. The dogs he helps obviously respect him - that can't be faked. I'm also pretty sure I 'poked' my kids harder than he has ever poked a dog ! I'm wondering how many "professional dog trainers' have dealt with some of the truly disturbed dogs that CM has had success with. So often I hear that the owners were adv'd by these professionals to put the dog to sleep. I suspect a lot of these academics have never had anything close to some of CM's cases. Writing about stuff and actually doing it are two different things.
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March 17, 2010, 2:52 pm
A Dog "Rehabilitator" is a made up term (by the Cesar machine), and not recognized by any organizations as a legitimate title. A behaviourist, I would buy that title. As it is: call me a trainer, call me a psychologist, a behaviourist or whatever (though I prefer to call myself a coach!) but I and many other people "rehabilitate" dogs using positive reinforcement to reshape behaviours. So, we accomplish the same task with no force and stress for the animal. A turd is a turd is a turd. A turd by any other name still smells as stinky. It is insulting to say that "CM rehabilitates, and that different from just making a dog sit." Is that all you think we +R people do?! Although, keep in mind, a good training regime to begin with would probably prevent 90% of the problems you see on the show. If you insist on differentiating between "training" and "rehabilitating" at least get this point: call it what you want, but us Modern trainers accomplish the same thing all time. For a good example of this, try watching Dog Town, often it comes on right after the Dog Whisperer. Also, I would really like to know where all this "this trainer is +R and told me to put my dog down!" comes from. Personally, I don't know any trainers (+R or +P) that recommend euthanasia. Where are these people?!
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March 17, 2010, 2:58 pm
There are troubled dogs everywhere, so not just in the little Cesar-sphere of existence. I've worked with dogs that have bitten children to the point they need plastic surgery, and dogs that kill livestock, and dogs that kill other dogs. Quite successfully. Just because you can't be bothered to check out the statistics and accept that other methods do work, and work better, doesn't mean it doesn't happen every day by many many talented and knowledgeable trainers.
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March 17, 2010, 4:27 pm
What a nice balanced article. Thank you for making your points in a positive way. I am a follower of Cesar and have been for years. I foster dogs and regularly rehab problem dogs that come into our system. Most of the people in my group will agree that I have some of the most well behaved and gentle fosters in the group. They are neither afraid, nor do they cower. They are balanced and friendly, greeting people and dogs equally due to having the basics of exercise, discipline and affection. I think people misunderstand the idea of discipline and think it involves striking the dog or something else, but that is just not true. Cesar also uses positive reinforcement as well as natural negative modification. Whether people like it or not...nature teaches uses negative reinforcement and that is where the young learn their lessons. This is true of ALL species of animal, not just dogs. While we always strive to reinforce good behavior with positives, when there is a dog attempting to attack you, petting it or trying to feed it food is not going to help out. You have to help it using a dog's methods. Simple enough.
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March 17, 2010, 5:02 pm
San Diego
What is "natural negative modification"? If a dog is trying to attack you
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March 17, 2010, 5:02 pm
San Diego
What is "natural negative modification"? If a dog is trying to attack you, meeting violence with violence is not going to work, either. Not in the long run. There's a saying, "Violence begins where knowledge ends", which is so true. Please note, I am not saying a poke is violent, but using intimidation in any form is not a great way to change behavior..truly change it. Or, "rehabilitate" if you'd prefer. I have a "balanced" dog (whatever that means), due to positive reinforcement, a fantastic temperament, and a great relationship. Not everything is the owner's fault, because there's a TON of dogs with bad temperaments out there, and what CM is doing is *suppressing* the outward behavior. If you see some of the follow up clips, many, many of the dogs are not 100% different. That first few episodes dog, the Dane afraid of shiny floors? You can very obviously see that he is still stressed to go on it, just has learned he has no choice, so "submits" to doing it. The dog still has a negative association with the surface. OK, I have seen a *few* instances where CM employs a bit of positive reinforcement, using treats to "get the brain to do something". (Makes a dog sound like some automaton). But in general, his mode is to label literally everything as dominance, and the answer is to meet aggression with aggression. Even if it's "calm" aggression. Respect? Again, people have different perceptions of what that looks like to them. A dog on their back, "surrendering" looks like that to some CM fans. Yet, to others, it's a calming signal, given by a stressed out dog that's confused and afraid, and shutting down because they don't know what else to do. CM continually sets dogs up to fail, then punishes the outward behavior. Because it's good TV. It's sensationalistic. WOW, small guy overpowers strong aggressive dog and gets them to "behave". ALL species, including us, learn through all the quadrants. We move towards what we want, and away from what we don't want. But with sooo many ways to manipulate consequences, there's very rarely need to use harsh punitive ones. All we need is the knowledge of how to effectively shape behavior!
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March 21, 2010, 5:41 pm
http://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_05_22_a_dog.html If you have 10 minutes, this is a very good read re: Cesar.
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March 31, 2010, 4:11 pm
I was sitting in the vet's waiting room when a few owners got into a discussion of their dogs. A young man said he was there because when walking his puppy at a park his puppy was literally torn apart by a pit bull. ____I was working with someone who also had a dog. We got into a discussion of vets and it turned out she went to the same vet group that I take my dog. She then told me about her recent visit -- her husband was walking their terrier by stores near their home. A man was standing by his car with his pit off leash. The pit went up to the terrier friendly enough, but then turned and attacked the terrier. The pit's bites came so close to vital organs, the terrier almost died.____Neighbors of mine went to visit friends in New Jersey. The friend's town had their "favorite pit bull." My friend's daughter was playing with the pit and when she picked up one of his toys, was bitten on the face very badly. ____A man in my neighborhood was walking his beautiful german pointer when an off leash pit ran up to attack him. The man fell on his dog to protect it, and was bitten badly. The pit did manage to get to the pointer, and the pointer has a hanging lip on one side.____In the last case, the owner, when telling me this story, made some very interesting remarks. He said ... his pointer is bred to point. It is not a learned behavior, it is inbred. The pit bull is bred to fight...this is also not a learned behavior, but inbred. You can only supress this type of behavior in the pit. One day it will come out and damage will be done. Look at what happened to Rachel Ray's pit, it became too aggressive. Someone else I work with told me she had to put down her pit at 3 years because he became so aggressive.____I wrote to Ceaser years ago about pit bulls. I said that it is the aggressiveness and fighting reputation that makes the dog attractive to people, especially young men and women. It is a known fact that while these dogs are great with humans, they are very dangerous with other animals, especially small animals. ____People think that dog fighting is cruel, and I definitely agree. But check out the history of these dogs and you will find this is what the dog was bred to do. ____Not everything man creates is wonderful. The pit bull is a potentionally dangerous dog and a weapon and should not be bred anymore.
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April 9, 2010, 1:05 pm
I like some of what CM does and I have to admit that I believe some of the "alpha" training may work in some dogs. I also like positive training because you are eliciting a behavior with a system of rewards instead of dominance. I believe it is the animal and the animals history that should dictate which training method will be most successful. I think we should recognize whether the animal is a pit bull, german shepherd or poodle, it IS an animal. It has natural instincts and it will eventually react on those instincts. Also, each animal, like us humans, has its own personal characteristics and that is why we see the german shepherd that will be loving around other animals and children and then on the other spectrum you see the chihuahua who will bite as soon as look at you. It depends on the individual animal. Also, for every owner that becomes part of the problem concerning their pet, there are owners who do everything by the book and still end up with a problem animal. The golden rule should be to examine the animal on its natural instincts(breed specifics), its history and its personality, all of which will influence what type of training, if any, will be a success, instead of looking at the breed or the owners.
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April 13, 2010, 12:09 pm
Interesting posts about Cesar. I have "crossed over" with my training to using positive reinforcement from the puppy on up.
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April 14, 2010, 10:56 am
Finally, a "balanced" article on Cesar Millan!
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April 14, 2010, 12:06 pm
I am so grateful for your post!! Finally, someone with a level head is speaking about Millan. It's a miracle!____Natrually, nobody is going to please everyone all the time, that's impossible. But he is certainly more good than bad. Even if some folks disagree with some of his methods, they certainly couldn't find fault with ALL of them (if they were being honest).____I'm a huge fan of Millan's and we have been using his "calm and assertive" approach with our five dogs (various breeds) for several years now. We've had nothing but success and we've never, ever hurt our dogs in any way. It all boils down to your attitude and approach. If you can be calm you can get your dog to trust you and listen to you. If you are hyper, loud, scream, etc., you simply can't get them to listen and you will certainly never get them to be calm. ____I could go on and on for way too long with many examples of how it works for us and give tons of personal experiences, but suffice it to say that our dogs are calm, happy and much better off thanks to Cesar's methods. And that's not just our opinion... neighbors, strangers on the street, etc. have all complemented us on our dogs'. And that never would have happened before!!__
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April 14, 2010, 12:27 pm
What you are neglecting to mention is the show is heavily edited to get the effect of the dog being
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April 14, 2010, 12:27 pm
What you are neglecting to mention is the show is heavily edited to get the effect of the dog being
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April 14, 2010, 12:29 pm
What you are neglecting to mention is the show is heavily edited to get the effect of the dog being “fixed”. Additionally I can show you client after client that tried things they saw on his show and the dog was worse. I’m sure other legit dog trainers could also supply far too many documented cases where his “methods” made the dog worse. In many cases the dog was not aggressive, but was made aggressive by being jabbed, flipped etc…ala Millan. So please spare us the “his methods do work”. We would need allot more proof, than Millan’s opinion or your opinion for that matter. Many dogs that are considered “fixed” by Whispering are shut down, not “calm and submissive”, they are dealing with what is known as learned helplessness. Make no mistake about it dogs are not dominating humans, that ideology is false and leads to people incorrectly identifying their dogs behavior. Also there is no such thing as dog psychology. Dogs learn through associations and consequences. The science exists, why people feel the need to make up terms that sound legitimate is beyond me. Millan is not a dog trainer, he is an ex groomer that got amazingly lucky in Hollywood, period. His PR machine and his legal team are some of the most abrasive and threatening around. Ask the IAABC. This blog really reeks of pandering to him and for what? Telling the world that dogs need Exercise, Discipline and Affection? That’s his big idea? Ok, but there are so many more layers of variables to dog behavior of all kinds that those three things will not address, and let’s not ever forget that the show is edited to perfection. On his recent speaking tour Millan says that “Americans are weak because we use leashes”. I am sure there will be a rise in off leash dogs all across the US now, thanks to this ridiculous notion. Off leash dogs are one of the main ways dogs and people get into trouble. Yet he is spewing this on his speaking tour. Yea I feel bad for his dog passing; he gets all my sympathy, for that only. It does not give him a pass for the damage he’s done. Yes damage. He has single handedly ruined the common sense and science that legitimate dog trainers and behaviorists have put forth. He influences people to jab, flip, startle, (shock yes shock he uses it on his show w/out telling people), and blame, yes blame their dogs for being distracted, having poor impulse control and generally being a dog. No dog is trained or fixed in seconds as someone here suggested, dog behavior is contextual and humans must have kind consistency in there consequences and their rewards. His lemming followers are also some of the most rude, ignorant and vile people in the web. They seem to be incapable of discussing dog behavior in any realistic sense, they resort to name calling and hero worship. I’m all for getting along, I’m all for the fair treatment of dogs especially Pit Bulls, but Millan has done more harm than good, don’t be fooled by a TV show for dogs sake. I thought you smarter than that. Being PC about a guy that has zero credentials and has legally threatened his detractors is suspect and not very well thought out. Ask yourselves one question, if Millan is such a genius why has he only done a few unscripted interviews and why would he legally threaten the dog welfare orgs that oppose him? Why not just have a discussion and quell the concerns? The man is incapable of discussing dog behavior in a legitimate way. I love KC dog blog, one of my favorites! I’m surprised that KC would not have had a more balanced report on Millan. I see a Swiffer ad on this website and well Millan is now a spokesperson for them, hmmm…maybe that’s why the pro Millan slant? I’m sure KC likes Millan, but that does not mean he knows the reality of dealing with dogs that have been subjected to Millan’s nonsense.
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April 14, 2010, 12:29 pm
Thank you, KC, for this reasonable and balanced article about Cesar. I'm happy to tell you that not all in the positive camp are as anti-Millan as the internet diatribes might make you think. Many have personally acknowledged the contributions he's made (as you listed them above) and the attention he's brought to the dog community. Many still disagree strongly with him, but they don't villify him. Regular viewers of the show and readers of his books will see for themselves that his "methods" are not the black-and-white all-or-nothing style of which his most virulent critics accuse him. He always varies the approach based on the dog, the owner, and the problem. For Cesar's part, he does use lots of positive reinforcement in cases that warrant it (most of them!), and he is always growing and learning as he interacts with more dogs and other dog professionals. I've worked with him for going on 7 years now and have found him to be an incredibly honest, sincere, open, and open minded person, who truly cares about dogs above all else. It's nice to read something fair for a change. Regards, Melissa Jo Peltier Executive Producer, Dog Whisperer Co-Author, Cesar's Way (and other Cesar books)
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April 14, 2010, 12:34 pm
One last thing….The ideology that dogs are dominating us then addressing that silly notion with force has been the cause for countless Pit Bulls in shelters being euthanized, maybe as much as BSL.
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April 14, 2010, 12:49 pm
This is one of the best written articles I have read about Ceaser Millan. __It is obvious that the author did alot of research and was very thoughtful in writing the article. __Thank you
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April 14, 2010, 12:57 pm
I am truly interested in where you are finding these "Purely Positive" trainers? I am a clicker trainer, I attend many seminars and expos, and I have yet to meet one.____As to dominance training working, positive punishment does work. It is not a question of something working, but rather a question of what is needed. Cutting off a foot will cure an ingrown toenail, but there are certainly less intrusive methods of doing so.____Maybe his methods bother me so because I get to work with many dogs that are so much worse than the dogs I see on his program. The owners of the dogs I work with are not considering uething their dogs simply because they chase skateboards or attack hoses. The owners I work with show me bite marks and bruises. I can commiserate. I have my own set of scars left by my own little behaviorally challanged dog.____Yet I don't need to turn to dominance to solve these problems and the idea that force is needed to change behavior is a huge setback to dogs everywhere.____Lastly, I would like to submit this link to actual research being done on behavior:____http://www.upenn.edu/pennnews/current/research/030509.html
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April 14, 2010, 1:03 pm
Amarillo, TX
I agree with Drayton I went thru Cesar's program, even tried to get him to help but unfortunately I'm not in a geographically preferred location for him. I watched his shows read his books watched his dvds and tried to work with my dog and it sent her and I both in such a downward spiral that I don't think we will ever totally recover from. While dogs do need a pack leader and boundries all that happy stuff. They need a leader that will not force them into whatever scares them the most to either make them shut down or get over it. So you folks that sing his praises remember that like people not all dogs are the same they cannot be treated the same they do not learn the same. If you personally would like to be scooled yourself using his methods you would probably change your mind. It's really too bad he's so well recognized.
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April 14, 2010, 1:08 pm
Amarillo, TX
Let me also add that it should be schooled not scooled. Drayton also makes a really good point about the editing that goes on with his shows you people are only seeing what they want you to, that's it period. Hey pits need all the advocates they can get I love the breed myself and know that its the owners that are the problems not the dogs or the breeds. Our dogs do not choose us to be their owners we choose them, we bring them into the world they should be treated with the RESPECT and kindness.
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April 14, 2010, 1:12 pm
Any brilliant trainer will know that each dog requires its own style of training. That is why brilliant trainers carry in their heads a complete "bag of tricks" - not all dogs are the same. Pure Positive works well for _some dogs but the trainer has too be very good and I do not know how you reinforce fail safe recalls by promising a cookie when the rabbit (or stray bitch in heat) running in the woods is so much more enticing. The number one reason dogs are in shelters is behavioral problems. Let's get past this silliness before we are so far removed from the animal kingdom that this argument is a complete exercise in futility. In nature, the canis uses a mixed bag to train its own - why should we only employ one method back to them? We are doing a disservice to dogs when we simply ignore negative behavior.
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April 14, 2010, 1:16 pm
Wichita Falls Texas
The problem with Cesar is he doesn't show everything. He doesn't show when he chokes a dog out until it cannot breathe so lays there not moving. Instead he shows a quick snippet of him holding the leash so the collar is tight and then the next thing you know the dog is in a "calm submissive" mood. He doesn't show the dog yelping as he hits a remote hidden in his pocket to produce a shock to the dog. As an owner of pitbulls and a foster parent to one I will NEVER use his methods again. When he first became popular I tried. I read all his books, watched his shows, and it all seemed so amazing. Until my dog started to shy away from me or tuck her tail between my legs every time I looked at her. When a dog cowers next to you they are not calm and submissive, they are afraid. I'll take Victoria Stillwell's methods, or the Dog Town methods any day.
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April 14, 2010, 1:17 pm
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April 14, 2010, 1:17 pm
Seattle, WA
Too bad you didn't add the article about how he left a dog on a treadmill to wear it out so he could work with it and it fell and dislocated all four legs.
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April 14, 2010, 1:19 pm
Seattle, WA
Wow! Too bad you didn't include the article about how he left a dog on the treadmill to wear it out so he could work with it and how it slipped and dislocated all four legs...
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April 14, 2010, 1:20 pm
what? haha that horrable... that poor little puppie dowg :(
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April 14, 2010, 1:24 pm
I think that Cesar has a positive message. He is telling people that you need to be the pack leader, and that YOU need to be the dominate one, otherwise dogs will walk all over you. Another much loved dog trainer who is all over TV is Victoria Stillwell, and she has the same message. People need to get over the name "Dominace Training". It's a good thing for dogs that might not have another choice.
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April 14, 2010, 1:27 pm
I hate to tell you but it was not He who left the dog on the treadmill.. he was not in the building at the time - this story has circulated for years and years and it is not true. Look up the court case. It is a public record - did not happen to Mr. Milan. The pure positive movement is right up there with animal rights - a way to remove the average person from a joyful bond with their dogs. Soon, no one but a few will be allowed to own dogs and then, one day they will be gone too. When that happens, dogs will cease to exist. So, pure positive lovers - those who wish to see all other methods die... you are actually promoting the extinction of the species we know as Dogs. Nice.
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April 14, 2010, 1:30 pm
Canada, Nova Scotia
I have a black lab/rotti mix, Buddy Boy, who I love more then life and I watch Ceasar Millan to get ideas on how to train my fur baby and things have worked out. I love watching his show as we tend to over spoil our fur babies and then when they get out of hand, we look for help as we finally realize that we did wrong and we need to know how to calm our fur babies down. Yes, I have spoiled my fur baby but Buddy Boy knows that he needs "rules" and he is doing great. I believe that the reason why other trainers are upset is because they are jealous. Everyone has their own training ways and not every way will work but it is up to the owners to be calm and retrain them and not the fur babies. I was saddened when I learned of Daddy's passing cause I understand how that feels as it is so hard when a beloved fur baby passes but we have the memories that will ease the days, weeks & years to come...
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April 14, 2010, 1:31 pm
Helo, I love dogs and I want the best for them. I had a dog named Rubio, a great and loving German Shepherd. There have been other dogs in my life and I will probably have another dog at some point. You do have to discipline them, but never harshly. Eugenia Renskoff
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April 14, 2010, 1:34 pm
I train dogs and treat dogs and I happen to think that those who often make comments dont understand dogs per se.I know of one woman who I had to remove from a web forum because she was slandering Millan yet stated that she knew dogs etc etc. What she failed to tell listeners was that she had allowed a doggy to balloon to 21kg and was so heavily matted that it took 3 of us to groom her as she bit at us
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April 14, 2010, 1:56 pm
Sorry for the lost Cesar, Daddy will be missed. Don't let these JEALOUS and ENVIOUS people get to you. They rather be in your shoes right now PERIOD. I watch your show all the time, and will continue to watch.
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April 14, 2010, 2:08 pm
Those who believe in positive-only training likely have trouble understanding the need for boundaries and/or tough love even with humans. Assertiveness is not the same thing as aggressiveness.
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April 14, 2010, 2:22 pm
I think Caeser Milan is absolutely right when it comes to assertiveness and calmness and affection. I have raised many great dogs over the years. I think I have raised my dogs the way I raised my children. I am the caretaker, the advice giver, the one you can always count on to take care of you and love you. I also don't put up with disrespect or rudeness. I am the pack leader! I have raised productive, fun, wonderful and good children. It would be good advice for parents who think their children are the 2nd coming!
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April 14, 2010, 3:43 pm
* Tip, if you want Dominance Training to die, you can start by at least admitting it CAN be successful but there are better ways. It remains because it can work to rehabilitate dogs. Admitting that first will give you more credibility.__- Do you advocate spanking our children get thigs accross also? I am sure it works in some cases also.____"1) Dogs are a product of their owners. If your dog is misbehaving, it is because of something that you did - -not something that is the fault of the dog."__- I have a dog I adopted that has a high arousal level and loves to try to chase cars and shows some excitment displays that mimic aggression when he sees other dogs. How is that my fault? I have been working with him with *POSITIVE* methods and he is doing MUCH better.____Alpha Rolls__- Dogs and wolves to not "Alpha" roll each other. The submissive dog freely rolls over to show his or her submission it is never forced.____"It is often funny for me to read when people write about how Millan only uses dominance training and never uses a positive reinforcement approach."__- Aparently he is realizing that that is really what works.____"What makes the situation worse for these trainers, they end up seeing the dogs that come in because their owner has screwed them up even more trying to emulate Millan. In spite of the disclaimers that owners shouldn't try these techniques at home, people do."__- What is the point of showing techniques if you can't use them on your own dogs? There is no disclaimer needed for positive reinforcement techniques. I have no problem with Ceaser, just his techniques. He should realize that people are looking up to him and if they can watch the show and not even try things on their own, is that realistic to ask of people?____"Discipline"__- Discipline is a must I am not debating that. Everyone needs it including our dogs, but the problem is so many people equate discipline to physical techniques which they don't need to be. Discipline means setting and enforcing rules which can be done positively. So many times the dominance methods do actually teach the dog what they should be doing they just supress behavior. With positive reinforcement and shaping you actually get the dog to think and discover answers on their own making them more adaptive to events in the future.
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April 14, 2010, 4:28 pm
Webster, FL
As a rescue foster mom that takes in abandoned & abused, I don't know what I would do WITHOUT the techniques Ceaser has. Most of my dogs have been neglected or severely abused, leading to real issues that could cost them their life. We are a no-kill rescue so that is not an option for us. We seek & find what works & 10 times out of 10, his methods work. It's the Humans that screw it up. Once I teach the dogs & cats (believe it or not) I tell the new owners what to do, they need to keep doing it & if you don't you will not have the dog you adopted! Alot of our dogs come back just because the new owner doesn't follow the simple steps to keeping the dog happy & well-balanced. God love you Ceaser. We lost a 3 legged pitt this year that we took in over 8 yrs ago. He was our Daddy. He did Nursing Home & School visits to educate & teach. We miss him so bad!!! Like Daddy, Our Lucky can not be replaced but we're working on a recruit! Don't Judge unless you are willing to be judged yourself!
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April 14, 2010, 4:48 pm
I train many street dogs and help people train their dogs with behavior problems and and most dogs will respond to positive reinforcement but there are some times as with children when a dog can be very ubnruly and ab bit of stronger re enforcement may be needed. An excellent book to read is the one written by the monks of New Skeet Monastery. Some aggressive Alpha dogs if not properly trained from puppyhood need a stronger hand to get them to pay attention to you. I am not talking about violence but letting the dog understand that he does not have the upper hand.
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April 14, 2010, 4:58 pm
CT
Like children not one dicipline technique fits all and the same goes for dogs. You use whatever technique or a combination of techniques that provide the results you are looking for and consistancy is the key. Ceaser has his series of techniques that obviously work and are not in any way shape or form cruel. If you don't like his style of dog training don't use it,don't watch his show and spend your time training , rescuing, fostering,volunteering on behalf of dogs instead of waisting your time ragging on Ceaser. R.I.P Daddy
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April 14, 2010, 6:42 pm
Over he years I have followed Ceasar and Daddy. I have worked with pups and older dogs with different phases of training with varying degrees of success. Ceasar by far has given me the best tool when working with these wonderful companions. For those who criticize Ceasar's way probably hasn't taken a good look how a mother rears her pups. There is no "positive" reinforcement.
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April 14, 2010, 7:02 pm
San Francisco
Dogs, particularly bully dogs need boundaries and need to know that they can relax, they don't have to be top dog. I've used an Australian method with similar techniques, none of them cruel, to get dogs to realize they don't have to be leader of the pack. Treat training is tedious and seems to misdirect the behavior by redirecting attention. A healthy mix of both seems best
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April 14, 2010, 9:31 pm
I think Ceasar does a fantastic job rehabilitating many many dogs that would likely be put down if it wasn't for him and the methods he uses. I have a little rescue dog that after survivng in the wilds of the north country of Canada, had some strange habits and wanted to be the dominent one here. Using some of Ceasar's methods certainly helped her to adjust and become the cutest . cuddliest pet anyone could ever want. I think he is great!
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April 15, 2010, 12:59 am
Cesar Millan was born with a gift. The gift of completely understanding the dog world. He has dedicated his life to passing on this information to the rest of the world. His techniques have helped countless numbers of dogs and people understand and rehabilitate. Its a wonderful thing.
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April 15, 2010, 1:01 am
Cesar was born with a gift. The gift of understanding the dog world completely. He has dedicated his life to passing on this information to help the world better understand dogs. Along the way he has saved countless numbers of dogs lives and rehabilitated countless numbers of people. Why do we feel the need to criticize? He is amazing. RIP sweet Daddy x
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April 15, 2010, 4:19 am
Is there on record any dog that Cesar has not been able to help? I ask this , because i have only watched some of his shows, and can therefor not admit to being an expert on his ways. Yes, he has a gift and dog owners all over the world need to thank all the doggie gods out there that such a man has had such a wonderful impact on our lives. He makes dogs happy and therefor their owners too [or vice versa]. I agree with the author, that too often people take an all or nothing approach. Pessimists, make lousy dog owners. If they cant see the good Cesar is doing, how can they see the good in a damaged dog?
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April 15, 2010, 5:43 am
Canada
I love this program, the Dog Whisperer, it helps me deal with my dog issues, friends dogs and neighbors' dogs. Often people come to see me about their dog behavoirs. Sometimes I know I can help, other times I don't touch the it. I have a Pitbull of my own, and he is also adorable. I love DADDY, R.I.P.
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April 15, 2010, 6:06 am
Great Article...very balanced and well written.
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April 15, 2010, 8:57 am
to Drayton about this comment :
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April 15, 2010, 8:58 am
I agree wholeheartedly. There is a place for "positive training" and I would also call what Cesar does "positive". And you're right the dogs he gets are often on their last chance. The owners are about to give up on them due to serious aggression issues. These dogs don't always respond to "here have a treat." And time is usually a factor when people or other dogs are being bitten. I know whereof I speak. I have a reactive dog and have been to the emergency room several times. I was able to get through it with a combination of things, including management and training but I definitely wish I had had Cesar living near by.
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April 15, 2010, 8:59 am
MA
Brilliant article! I am starting a dog training business and a blog
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April 15, 2010, 9:13 am
MA
Hi, not sure what happened there above. I'm starting a dog business and a blog and one of my first posts was going to be about Cesar Millan, but you have said it here better than I could. I've never understood the lynch mob mentality of a lot of trainers towards Cesar - "he's set dog training back 20 years," etc. It always seemed to me that he was dealing with the extreme cases, which require extreme methods to solve, and I also agree that his timing is so good, which may not be clear to people watching to show. I've seen it in dog training classes that people don't understand the extreme importance of perfect timing, nor do they understand when they haven't timed a correction perfectly, and the dog ends up confused. I also agree that Cesar has done enormous good with the catchphrases "exercise, discipline, then affection" and "rules, boundaries & limitations." (I also agree and explain to people that "discipline" means "rules, boundaries & limitations" and not "punishment.") People remember those concepts because of the show and they are good ones. And the good PR he's given to "bully breeds" is immeasurable. Since you have said exactly what I wanted to say and better, I am linking to you if that's alright. I will come up with new blog topics as I gain experience I'm sure! Thanks for this! Joy www [dot] joyfordogs [dot] com
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April 15, 2010, 9:22 am
Drayton ". His lemming followers are also some of the most rude, ignorant and vile people in the web. They seem to be incapable of discussing dog behavior in any realistic sense, they resort to name calling and hero worship." Hi, there.It Seems the group of people you 'hang out' with, are "Champions" of this particular behavior. And really, you may be the 'pack leader' or believe yourself to be. I fell for it for a while, got sick, vomited, and feel much better now. If you disagree, look at all the trouble you went through, to type to everyone, after reading an article about someone you don't like,and prove it to yourself. And this? ". I thought you smarter than that. Being PC about a guy that has zero credentials" Hi again Drayton. I really don't see where having a bunch of letters after your name, indicating you have gone through some particular 'course' to learn "terminology", for particular applications and so forth used in behavior modification, which really only means you paid a great deal of money to learn things which are available to anyone for free. In short? What credentials? As for experience, I have been using 'positive reinforcement' since before you were ever out of elementary school, if you were even born. And, I never have had to use any form of physical punishment on ANY animal I have come in contact with. Dog, or Whale or Elephant. You are a snotty brat. And maybe I do not agree with things I have seen Cesar do. But, I have Never seen him say anything about what other trainers do. And that says a lot to me.
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April 15, 2010, 9:54 am
Does anyone know how many people go to a "unknown", dog trainer, dog rehabilitator, on a weekly basis, with a dog, who they claim, will be put to sleep if that dog trainer is unable to 'fix' all the damages done, for whatever amount of time they have been done, and left to be done, taken to other trainers, rehabilitators, messed up even more, and then left up to the 'final' one as the 'last resort?' How do you think that feels? Especially when the people who bring the dog, have no clue, and show no real interest in finding a clue, as to why all of the dog's "bad" behaviors are occurring, how they began, why, and that their part in seeing the dog 'win' and survive, is really the very most important part of the agreement. And not the exchanging of the money? It is more than just 'sad'. It is an overwhelmingly amount of pressure. If, that is, the person who is taking on the situation, actually does 'care' about what they are doing, for what I consider to be the 'right' reasons. None of which, include, "fame, ego, pride, acceptance, money, fan clubs, blogging purposes, facebook friends, becoming a celebrity on a reality TV show, writing a book" or any other reason other than to save the dog's life. Only because of the population of stupid humans who cannot even take care of themselves properly, yet insist on being irresponsible and bringing another life into their own. This does not only happen to Cesar or to Victoria, or to anyone who claims to be a "certified, qualified, professional, dog trainer, with credentials. It happens to thousands and thousands of people no one has ever heard of before. Who just advertise as "Dog Trainer". Not "purely positive", not "Balanced" Not "Dominance based". Just "Dog Trainer". I guess that is where I fit in. Hello.
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April 15, 2010, 10:53 am
South Surrey, BC
Wow, lots of emotion going on here...I want to say that I appreciated Cesar Millan more in his early career and feel he has gone a little holywood/celebrity on us. Having said that he's done alot for dogs and their owners. He has really done no no harm. As for the hoopla about positive training vs dominance - there is different training for different dogs - should be a no brainer. I personally have two Dobermans who are fantastic dogs and very well trained (ok...one is a work in progress) but it was not always this way. Positive training worked for my female in the beginning when she was a pup but when she started launching herself onto my back at full speed no amount of professional or my own positive training would stop this. A couple of dominant training techniques and no more launching onto my back....ever. Today she is an amazing dog who is only trained with positive reinforcement. My other dog a Doberman male I purchased as a one year old - is a different story he was 85 lbs of untrained muscle mass and would respond to nothing...no positive no dominance. We found an excellent trainer (ZenDogs in Vancouver, BC) who trained us on the proper use of an e-collar. The e-collar is used to keep the dog payng attention and not for punishment. Today he is a better dog and we have a way to manage him if we need to. His listening has improved and he trusts us more each day. So there...I've said what I needed to say.
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April 15, 2010, 1:21 pm
i have been training my boyfriend using Cesars techniques and they totally work. The Dog/Boyfriend Whisperer ROCKS!!!
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April 15, 2010, 2:34 pm
Ugh. Reading people's comments about how positive trainers don't understand anything about training, upsets me. First off, they come off with this impression that all they want to do is feed dogs treats all day long. What positive training is doing, is combining 40 years of study and science to achieve the best training for dogs without the use of choke collars, alpha rolls, ect. To me, positive training is about combining your brain, and your dog's brain, for training. Figuring things out as a team. That's real dog physiology. Like Dunbar said, "Learning from wolves to interact with pet dogs makes about as much sense as, 'I want to improve my parenting -- let's see how the chimps do it!'"
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April 15, 2010, 2:36 pm
What the... BUT! What I wasn't able to add, in my last comment, was regardless where I stand with Cesar, I am sad to hear that his beloved dog Daddy, has past on.
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April 15, 2010, 3:43 pm
Wonderful article. I watch several different shows and take away what works for me and my dogs. No one method will work for every single dog it's up to the owner to do what is right for them.
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April 15, 2010, 4:03 pm
For the record: there has never been a record of a dog injured using Cesar's methods.The only injury to occur was at Cesar's facility that was being borrowed by someone else while Cesar wasn't even there. I don't know where the treadmill with the broken legs came in. Never heard that anywhere. As far as editing: no, the show is not heavily edited.The only editing would be if the dog was running around a yard for a while and they will give you the elapsed time. If you see the dog calm down in 2 minutes...that's how it happened. I've gone to people's houses to work with dogs that have aggression issues and not had a single dog react while I was there. They didn't bark at me, showed no excitement. The owners were always surprised. Interesting what happens when you bring calm assertive energy into a bunch of dogs. He does not hang dogs to choke them out. He occasionally has to hold a dog up and away to keep from being bitten. I've had to do the same myself with an extremely aggressive dog that is out to take a chunk out of you. There is no safer way to keep them off you. Once the dog stops attacking the leash is relaxed. There is a place for all types of dog training. Cesar uses all of them, from the type of corrections a dog would make to a dog, to positive treat training. Best of all, he makes a difference in people. He instills confidence, gives them a positive feeling and treats people with respect. He has done things that involved no dog training at all, simply the person needed help. The handicapped child who wanted to walk her dog and later became the one that helped her handicapped friends learn to walk their dogs with assertiveness. The man who lived in fear of dogs. Cesar took him to his dog center and helped him to overcome his fears by educating him and teaching him how to act and how to read dogs. The man eventually got one of Cesar's dogs for his children who so desperately wanted one. The handicapped woman with the fabulously trained service dog that was almost a hermit. He helped her dog minimally (it was simply anxious about getting on the bus) and helped her immensly. She ended up being brave enough to go to an elementary school to talk about her dog and how he helped her. He's gone to the prisons to help the inmates with the dog training programs work thru issues with their dogs. Neighborhoods where all the dogs didn't get along. The list goes on and on. How you could find a more positive person, I'll never know.
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April 15, 2010, 4:12 pm
Well said zhorse...I couldn't have said it better myself. I have met him, watched him work...he has a gift, and is one of the calmest, most humane people I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.
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April 15, 2010, 5:48 pm
OH yeah, Let me give a little more "411" on the entire "purely positive" group of dog trainers, or "wanna bes". They live in laboratories, or in other forms of highly controlled settings or environments, and not at all in the 'real world. They lie, they are hypocrites, and there really is nothing "pure" or "positive" about them at all. Seriously, I would advise anyone wishing to have their dog trained, even in a positive 'reinforcement', 'reward based', way, I would advise to avoid, Anyone who advertises as a "dog trainer" and markets themselves as "purely positive". These people seem to think the only information dogs need to know, is when dogs present the "exact" behaviors the people want them to present. Then the behaviors these people want, should only be presented when asked for, and then, rewarded/reinforced. No other information should be given, or "should be" needed. Such as a NRM Or "No Reward Marker" So, say for instance, a new puppy, may be curious, and is chewing on an electric cord, "eh, eh, eh", Don't let that puppy know he has failed or made a mistake, and tell that puppy, "no" or "eh, eh", or anything that could somehow ruin the puppy's 'self esteem', and could cause the puppy to feel like a "loser", and no longer wish to even learn anything at all anymore! )o: That's right. You cant even give a vocal, eh, eh, and carefully pick the puppy up and take him away from the danger, to redirect him. You just have to cross your fingers and hope the puppy stops on his own, 'before' he gets the shock delivered that may or may not kill him, or, think of something, anything, other than 'talking' to your dog, in order to help him to understand , there are things in the 'the real world',which,can, will, and would love nothing more than to, hurt him/her. And good luck with that...Purely Positive People! Idiots!
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April 15, 2010, 8:20 pm
We all forget......Positive training works too. But with no "side effects" like: fear aggresion, increased stress levels, improper association,and loss of trust to the owner. This is science. This is real. This is humane. Positive trainers train redzone dogs succesfully. Real training is boring, not sexy like a tv show.Positive trainers are labled as"soft", "weak", "fluffy", and "idiots" or "uneducated'. Why?People are afraid of change. Afraid of science. Years ago we were afraid of evolution because it went against everything we belived in. Stop being "dominance" zealots. Accept the hard evidence and move on.
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April 16, 2010, 12:23 am
I think there is a time and a place for both methods. I don't think that Ceaser is cruel, he loves and cares for dogs, some of which from where I am from would be put down because they were deemed unfit for re homing. He has a natural instinct about dogs which can't be duplicated by just anyone in the wrong hands his methods could turn cruel. But Ceaser uses only force necessary to get the dogs attention, when food won't. It is quick and easy (for him) and the result is dogs that more often then not are happy well balanced and most importantly able to be re homed. I think the way he gets physical with his dogs is no different to the way we would treat a human in various levels of stress. A nudge to someeone who is fixated on the television (namely my husband) is not thought of as cruel, not always necessary but what can i say. It has been more like a punch when he was about to fist fight with someone just so I could get his attention long enough for him to listen to reason, I belive it saved him from great danger. I think Ceaser's principles are similar, he needs to get the attention of the dogs so he can tell them the correct way to behave. And only an appropriate amount of force is used.__ I think he is amazing he also brings in others on his show that use different methods depending on the dog and its stress levels.__Personally I think positive training is more user friendly for most people again depending on your dog and it's stress levels. I think with caeser's way you have to be an incredibly calm patient and persistant person all the time. Positive training doesn't rely on how you a feeling so much as you have food to encourage the dog what to do. I spose you still need to have patients but you can hide it better with food infront of you. ha. I love the fact that people like Victoria and Ceaser care enough about dogs to help rehabilitate them, they are both remarkable and both get results and at the end of the day that's want we want for these precious animals.
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April 16, 2010, 12:34 am
Oh another thing too, Ceaser always says not to try his methods at home....so people try at their own risk, they obviously having trouble training or rehabilitating their dog so they need help better to find a local Dog Trainer or behavioralist then to try these thing on your own. You can but if they don't work out...
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April 16, 2010, 8:31 am
Charleston, SC
Thanks for writing this KC, reading it was worth my time. I also had no idea about Daddy. I fell in love with him on the show.
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April 16, 2010, 11:00 am
i go to high school's to hit on the teacher's.. the big one's tern me on! OJ tased good with hair and poopsicles. I harvest blueberries in my bung hole.
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April 16, 2010, 6:15 pm
His shows have shown him hanging dogs, flooding dogs with sensory overload and traumatising dogs (not readiliy apparent unless you know what to look for in the dogs' body language). That said he is absolutely right about exercising your dogs and being assertive. His dominance theory is incorrect and is very misleading to owners who blame the dog instead of training him. Check this out: http://www.dogstardaily.com/training/alpha-fallacy____Cesar is charismatic and has a huge following - I just wish people would heed the message flashed on the screen: "Don't try this on your own!" I get too many clients who have made their dog worse and gotten bitten by their dog. ____A certified dog trainer
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April 17, 2010, 10:25 am
Cesar rocks and his training works much better than treats because it shows the dog that you are in charge. P.S RIP Daddy!!!
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April 17, 2010, 12:14 pm
We already have the advantage over dogs - we have opposable thumbs. There is no reason to strong-arm/force a dog in training. I've met too many people who misuse Cesar's information and sometimes(questionable) techniques.____a certified dog trainer
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April 17, 2010, 6:17 pm
I think Cesar is a god when it comes to dogs. He is truly gifted and I can't imagine why people have so much criticism of him. He loves dogs and works miracles with them. Dogs just know, when they meet him for the first time, that the bullsh** is over. They surrender and are relieved that someone that knows how to be in charge has finally showed up. All of his episodes have one major theme, crazy owners. I don't know how he has the patience and the psychological skills to deal with some of the people I've seen him work with. So he is doubly gifted, he has instinctive skills with dogs, and he is a people person. He does some pretty fine therapy with some of these people, I find it amazing.
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April 18, 2010, 12:46 pm
Cesar has said that worse than dominance aggression in a dog is fear aggression. Cesar knows the difference, although many readers who try to emulate him do not - and therefore mess up their dogs even more.
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April 18, 2010, 12:47 pm
Cesar has said that worse than dominance aggression in a dog is fear aggression. Cesar knows the difference, although many readers who try to emulate him do not - and therefore mess up their dogs even more. Cesar isn't all about dominance, and he doesn't believe that every misbehaving dog wants to dominate his owner. But he does believe that every dog, misbehaving or not, needs and wants a leader. If you don't like the words 'pack leader,' then leave off the word 'pack.' But every dog requires a leader in order to be a happy and well balanced dog. It was amusing to read the post of someone who said that "What you are neglecting to mention is the show is heavily edited to get the effect of the dog being “fixed”. This is not true. While the conversations with the owners are heavily edited, what Cesar does with the dog is what Cesar does with the dog - unless we're told otherwise on the show. Then the same author says, "Additionally I can show you client after client that tried things they saw on his show and the dog was worse." This may be true. The average person doesn't have Cesar's calm, assertive, confident manner. The average person doesn't have Cesar's sense of timing. The average person doesn't understand that leadership is not a set of actions aimed at eliciting followers; it is an attitude, a presence. And if you saw the 100th anniversary show, or read 'The Ultimate Episode Guide,' a book about the first three seasons, you'd see that all the dogs Cesar rehabilitated stayed that way if their owners followed up and did their 'homework.' Frankly, this article by kcdogblog is one of the fairest and most well balanced articles I've read about Cesar since I read 'What The Dog Saw.'
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April 19, 2010, 11:48 am
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April 20, 2010, 6:48 pm
I have been training dogs for almost 40 years now and I do use positive reinforcement on puppies, beginner dogs, and competition obedience dogs. However, I have also worked with "troubled" shelter dogs in a cell dog program with inmates. Many were pit bulls, but we also had a lot of other large, out-of-control breeds and mixed breeds as well as some purebreds, all turned in for behavior problems or picked up as strays and never claimed. Many times, they required a little tougher training until they became used to having rules and to working with people. One thing I know is that you really need to be able to "read" a dog if you are going to be successful with a troubled dog. Cesar is very good at reading dogs, but most people are not. They could get into bad trouble with those methods if they don't know what they are doing. There is no one right or wrong way to train. Each dog is an individual in a different circumstance. You do what is appropriate in each case.__Terry Pollock
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April 21, 2010, 2:40 pm
After raising 9 dogs, and fostering several others for a breed rescue program I feel confident weighing in. I am a BIG Cesar Millan fan, as well as a fan of positive reinforcement training--starting with treats, moving to clickers and then praise. I must say I see far too many positive trainers stopping at the treat--and not taking their training into the real world of distractions and group energies (avoiding the term pack to stop hearing about the difference between wolves and dogs, which those studies they cite do NOT dismiss the pack dynamic in dogs, just with obvious difference inherent to another sub-group of the same species). __I am tired of the polarization. Dogs come in many sizes/shapes/temperaments. I've had Chow-Chows, an Irish Setter a German Shepherd, Shelties, mixed breed dogs, and now a wonderful English Springer who tests my experience to no end. They all had their idiosyncracies and training needs to be adjusted to the individual dogs reactions (I'll avoid the word personality so no one screams anthropomorphism). There IS one common denominator with all breeds and dogs, though. They need to understand what is expected of them, and they need to be protected from some of their instincts to ensure their safety. Positive reinforcement has rarely been a failsafe training method for "come" or "stay" with certain enticing distractions--sensing my leadership and disapproval DOES. I have never had to go past quick timing to correct, or a "barked" correction, and I don't think this is abusive. I have NEVER seen Cesar choke a dog, EVER. Dogs have layers of muscles around their necks (as do many animals), that are not comparable to ours. We can debate collars until the cows come home, but for anyone who has tried every gentle leader under the sun with a willful dog, you sometimes have to utlize something with more power. __Controlling the actions of a dog that can harm children or itself is important, and I refuse to believe this harms the dog's "ego." As owners it is our RESPONSIBILITY to ensure the safety of our dogs, as well as others that come into contact with our dogs. This is not always achievable with a treat or a clicker, although I want to emphasize that if you can start with a young dog, and if you are consistent, you will have a great foundation. __In closing, it doesn't have to be an "us and them" mentality in training. Take your dog's temperament, size and instincts into consideration and JUST DO YOUR BEST. Exercise your dog, play with him/her, love your dog and make it part of your family. We are all dog lovers, respect different opinions and methods and I'd suggest not wasting energy in deconstructing someone who has given his life over to dogs as well as positivity in general. No one is perfect--as someone else mentioned.
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April 21, 2010, 3:24 pm
After raising 9 dogs, and fostering several others for a breed rescue program I feel confident weighing in. I am a BIG Cesar Millan fan, as well as someone who utilizes positive reinforcement training in young or willing dogs--starting with treats, moving to clickers and then verbal or petting praise. I must say I see far too many positive trainers stopping at the treat—as well as not taking their reinforcement training into the more challenging real world of distractions and “canine group” energies (I’ll avoid the term “pack” so those citations about difference group dynamics in wolves and dogs don’t come flying out). As a side note, the alpha-pair dominance in a pack is constantly challenged with the result often being a change in pack structure. Additionally dominant activity is part of MANY species’ structure, and therefore being a strong, confident leader is not only helpful, but the basis of many human/animal relationships. I am tired of the polarization—pack training v. positive reinforcement. There used to be many styles of animal training. I grew up on the rather harsh Koehler method, which was the standard back in the day. My dogs were happy, well-trained, safe, and lived long, healthy lives. People have always commented on my dogs’ temperaments and apparent love and attachment to me. I would not use harsh methods today, but that was the standard then. Dogs come in many sizes/shapes/temperaments. I've had Chow-Chows, an Irish Setter a German Shepherd, Shelties, mixed breed dogs, and now a wonderful English Springer who tests my experience to no end. With him I have used a base of positive reinforcement, with some of the Monks of New Skeet (very similar to Millan), and Millan’s techniques when there were signs of resource guarding, and the need to calm my dogs mind so he could pay attention to the queues of training. All my dogs have had their idiosyncrasies and IMO training needs to be adjusted to the individual dogs reactions (I'll avoid the word personality so no one screams anthropomorphism). There IS one common denominator with all breeds and dogs, though. They need to understand what is expected of them. Oh, and they need to be protected from some of their instincts to ensure their safety. In my experience positive reinforcement has not been a consistent, failsafe training method for "come" or "stay" when certain enticing distractions present themselves--establishing my leadership through correction (catching the dog before he runs off, uttering a disapproving sound) IS a more effective method, IMO. Corrections, distractions, redirections and interrupted negative energy is not abusive. AND, I have NEVER seen Cesar choke a dog, EVER. Anatomically dogs have layers of muscles around their necks (as do many animals), that are not comparable to ours. We can debate collars until the cows come home, but for anyone who has tried every gentle leader under the sun with a willful dog, you sometimes have to utilize a more effective tool if a particularly strong dog will not respond. Controlling the actions of a dog that can harm children, adults or itself is important! I refuse to believe this harms the dog's "spirit." As pet owners it is our RESPONSIBILITY to ensure not only our dog’s safety, but that of others coming into contact with our dogs. This is not always achievable with only positive reinforcement, although I want to emphasize that if you start modifying behavior with a young dog, and if you are consistent, you will have a great foundation for further training. In closing, it doesn't have to be an "us and them" mentality in training. Quit micro-analyzing Cesar’s techniques and spreading false claims (dog abuse, clever editing) and allow owners to determine what is best for their own dogs. Take your dog's temperament, size and instincts into consideration and JUST DO YOUR BEST. Exercise your dog, play with him/her, love your dog and make it part of your family.
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April 21, 2010, 3:28 pm
Whoops, sorry ... thought the first post was lost!
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April 24, 2010, 10:14 am
I agree with Terry Pollack and others here who have emphasized that dogs are individuals. Positive is fine for some - perhaps even most. But for the dog who is aggressive, positive-only is naive and dangerous! I say this as an owner of an aggressive dog, and a dog trainer, certified, who deals with aggression issues. ____I don't understand the need that the positive-only crowd has for polarization either. I have a secret fantasy when I get frustrated with one of these people - putting them alone in a house with my heeler from Hell for a weekend. LOL! A little dose of reality would change a few things!____Cesar understands this reality. I love him.
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April 27, 2010, 1:31 pm
This is a great post. I agree with you that whatever stance you may take on his methods, the key messages that Cesar spreads have only positive ramifications for dogs, owners and communities as a whole. I have personally seen many friends take his advice to heart. Cesar has shown many people that, despite their best intentions, you must approach behavioral training with a dog’s mentality, not a child’s. I’m currently working on a program for Proctor & Gamble and Iams pet food. After looking through your site, I think that it could be a good fit for you. If you’d like more information, please drop me a note at owen@rocketxl.com and I will follow up with additional details. I look forward to connecting with you.
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May 6, 2010, 5:43 pm
Chandler, AZ
Cesar doesn't positive train them or cruelly train them but in the middle. I think you should ask a dog to sit with a treat and after a few tries and it doesn't sit that you can push its bottom down. My step brother and the rest of my family are getting a dog. My step brother says he's going to hit the dog when it does stuff bad. (Like jumping up even as a puppy....) I hate the way he thinks he's boss....
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May 9, 2010, 7:57 am
Toledo, Ohio
We had a 106 pound rottie/shepard mix that was not well socialized with smaller dogs and was returned after many years to another rescue we were members of. The dog was thought to be aggressive. In reality he was not well socialized with other dogs as his humans did not allow him to interact with other dogs all that much. We offered to work with him and our team members. He put his paws on my shoulders, on my back and when I looked over my shoulder he was bearing his teeth and it was not in play. To nip this behavior in the bud, and end it, we use the same techniques that Milan uses. There was never another incident, he matured and learned and was adopted by a family and there has been no further problems. A dog that weighs over 100 pounds and on his hind legs is almost 6 feet tall, needed a different technique than a Puggle, as an example.
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May 10, 2010, 5:46 pm
Illinois
Thank you for this article. I'm tired of hearing negative things about Cesar when he has contributed SO MUCH to the general public's understanding of dogs and dog behavior. He's also made quite a point to demonstrate in virtually every episode, that a dog's behavior is not determined by breed. Cesar has done more for peoples' education about demonized breeds than literally anything else. So many pitbulls are adopted now into loving homes BECAUSE PEOPLE SAW HIS SHOW. I got my parents to get a pitbull, BECAUSE THEY SAW DADDY. Now there are a bunch of pro-pit shows on TV, but Cesar paved the way. People need to stop focusing on the damage he indirectly causes from idiot copy-cats, and focus on the direct POSITIVE IMPACT he's had for dogs everywhere.
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May 15, 2010, 3:24 am
OH MY GODD, YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING MEEEE. okay, the fact that there are uneducated and single-minded people like karyn1985 exists scares me!!!!!!!!!!
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May 15, 2010, 3:24 am
KARYN1985: "A lot of the people on the Anti-Cesar board are certified trainers, and also cross-over trainers (people who started with dominance theory, and moved to positive reinforcement), myself included. I pride myself on continued learning, and Cesar takes pride in not changing (learned everything he knows from Grandpa). That should set off some red flags. How many people do you know that, once they come to adulthood, refuse to learn new techniques, new skills and new technologies? You'd call that person ignorant, stupid, and you'd probably avoid them" You are soooo ignorant, stupid, and I want to avoid you. Cesar does change with time and he does come up with personalized methods appropriate to each dog's needs. He never stops learning. WATCH HIS DAMN EPISODES FROM SEASON 1 TILL NOW and tell me if he never changed. Don't base your judgement from probably the ONE episode you saw from years ago. There's just way too much bullcrap she goes on rambling I can't fit all into here. I would love to just sit and argue and instill some common sense and open-mindedness to her little brain! Cesar is a Godsend. He is amazing, he is talented, and as everybody should know by now, he is not the only method and he is not saying he is the only one method you should pursue. But what irritates me is when I see people who debunk and accuse his methods. There's absolutely nothing wrong with his methods whatsoever. He is not coercive at all. It's funny to me how all the people who say he is coercive don't bring up his episodes where he helps severely insecure dogs that were afraid of humans come out of their shells. Like I said before, he always adjusts his rehabilitation to each dog. A dog that always runs away at the very sight of human instantly trusts Cesar in a heartbeat. Cesar does it by being patient and coming down to the dog's level. He doesn't rush things, he doesn't push things, he does it step by step and then gains the dog's trust.
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May 18, 2010, 2:42 am
Mr. Milan's methods are based on an inaccurate theory of how dog behavior works. He makes it look too easy--it's tv, and they leave out a lot of the actual interaction. I saw a video in which he was supposedly "helping" a woman who wanted her cat to be less afraid of her dog. He told her to hold the cat while she sat in a chair. He brought the boisterous puppy very close. The cat climbed on the woman's head. Cesar excitedly claimed that the cat was "dominating" the woman. It was pretty obvious that the cat was too scared to be thinking about dominance. The cat was thinking about survival. There was no evidence that this 'intervention' of Cesar's helped the situation at all.
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May 19, 2010, 9:10 am
Cesar has had a positive impact on all dog lovers, not so much all dog owners. I don't disagree with any of his statements. Is there anyone who can argue with Cesar's intelligence and knowledge when it comes to dogs, especially the so called "Bad Breeds"? www.save-on-petsupplies.com
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May 19, 2010, 10:21 am
I think Cesar is pawsitively purrfect, i do not watch TV often so i have seen only a hand full or 2 of his shows, but after the first show that i watched ( it was about how to walk to unruly dogs ) I promptly went out the next day and used his method, walking the 2 became heaven, I own 2 rotties and worked hard to make the good mascots of the breed, I have since found a home for the 3 yr old rotti because of a personalitly conflict between me and him, he is a purrfect dog now in a home with 3 children under 4 yrs, my 7 yr old is a mush, he is cuddly and somewhat a whimp, but he lets me know when something is not right around the house and if there are bear or cougar in the area his demeanor changes and i then know that we may have a big wild animal in our yard, in all his protectiveness he is not overly aggressive and at his size (125 lbs ) nobody argues with him or me :), the point here is that when I do get to watch Cesar I sit there and say "that's what I do", or " i do that " Keep up the good work Cesar - hope I have the chance to meet you one day
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May 21, 2010, 11:05 am
This is a great article. He does do great positive reinforcement with delicate and frightened dogs. The best example I can give is when he had Gavin, this bomb sniffing dog, on his show. The dog could hardly function. He used treats, positive energy, and never gave up. same thing with a bull terrier named Mugsy whom he only constantly encouraged and walked very freely on a leash so mugsy wanted to go for walks. People are too quick to say he is cruel, especially when a lot of dogs that would have no chance at changing have because of him. The list goes on and on
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May 22, 2010, 5:25 pm
United States
Cesar Millan is awesome............he works with the dogs using their natural "pack" mentality. Watch several dogs that had established their pack, they respect order. There is ALWAYS a pack leader and all the others look to that leader for guidance. I have watched a puppy get a little unruly and that leader will show that puppy the proper way to act by going over and poking it with their nose or paw and vocally show their disproval. That is exactly what Cesar does AND it works!!!!!
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May 24, 2010, 4:42 pm
dagoom May 24, 2010, 2:24 pm Response to a person feeling Cesar does not reward animals enough. Having had a 'pack', and observing other people's 'packs', I have seen that when an underling in the pack behaves according to 'pack' rules, the pack leader does not in effect go "wow, that was amazing; you are so wonderful; in fact you are so wonderful, I'm going to play with you for the next 1/2 hour, make a fool of myself, and forget about the rest of the pack !!!!!" Never happens. Pack leaders EXPECT appropriate behaviour - they don't reward it. They do however correct inappropriate behaviour - to whatever degree they deem necessary for whatever situation they are in. Cesar mimics natural dog behaviour, and all the pontificating by all the behaviourists in the world will not change the fact that he GETS IT, and they don't. Dogs go from A to B in a straight line. There is no A1-A2-A3-A4 and finally to B. They would never survive in a natural setting if they futzed around like that. Finally, can these critical people not concentrate on more important things - like hunger, puppy mills, etc - instead of nitpicking. important things - like hunger, puppy mills, etc - instead of nitpicking. ?
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May 26, 2010, 2:01 pm
Great article. Like you said, not everyone will agree on Cesar's way, but for me, he is the best. He follows what he knows to be a dog's way and to teach a dog, you must know that path and walk it. His pack, his feelings about Pitbulls and his long time friend Daddy, led the way for many people to understand that Pitbulls are great dogs. Pat on the back Cesar...you are my guy!
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May 26, 2010, 4:25 pm
Kat - FYI, you can watch 30 full episodes of the Dog Whisperer by going to the National Geographic Channel website, clicking on Shows, Dog Whisperer, Full Episodes. By selecting full-screen mode it's almost as good as watching the shows on TV -- actually, since there are no commercials, it's better. Plus you can pause when you want, replay portions that bear repeating, etc. Nat Geo is to be commended not just for producing such a great show but for making so many episodes available for free to people who may not have access to their channel.
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June 3, 2010, 1:48 am
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June 6, 2010, 9:14 am
I watch The Dog Whisperer on the National Geographic Channel and am amazed at the results Cesar achieves with the dogs that seem to be hopeless. I have never seen any form of cruelty in his training methods. Keep up the good work, Cesar!
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June 11, 2010, 2:38 pm
Because of Cesar Millan and his dog, Daddy, a very good friend of mine has gone from thinking pit bulls are monsters that should all be destroyed to someone who sees what wonderful dogs they can be. My friend has great respect and admiration for the breed now, and deplores owners who neglect their dogs, treat them badly, or train them to be vicious. Millan does a wonderful job with animals, and anyone, trainer or not, who does not think he does needs their heads examined! I would be willing to bet that a lot of these "trainers" are jealous because they have no idea how to do what Millan does, and even if they do have some idea, they are no good at it.
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June 11, 2010, 2:50 pm
Renee, you are WRONG! Pit bulls were NOT bred, originally, to fight. They were FAMILY dogs. The dog on the old RCA record label was a pit. A pit was also a hero in WWII. The dog in the old Little Rascals or My Gang series was a pit. These dogs did NOT, I repeat, did NOT have a history of violence. It is when cruel-hearted people decided to fight them and train them to be cruel is when public opinion of these dogs changed. Just last year a pit saved the lives of his human family by protecting them from an armed intruder who broke down the front door while they were watching TV. I know several people who have owned pits for years, and they have children and cats, and small dogs...and there has NEVER been a problem. It is all in how a dog is treated and how they are socialized.. The pit is a dog who wants to be included in his human family's daily life...they NEED a lot of attention and they want to please, which is why so many of them will fight...to please the idiots that own them. Michael Vick killed his dogs that would not fight. I wish he was still in prison. I don't believe for a second that he is sorry about what he did...only that he got caught.
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June 19, 2010, 10:52 am
Wonderful article! I like Cesar Millan and enjoy his show. To me, he never seemed cruel to any of his client's dogs, so I never understood the basic argument between Cesar's methods versus other dog trainers critical of him until now. Thank you!
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June 19, 2010, 8:41 pm
Dogs are individuals and what works for one doesn't work for others. Cesar works with dogs with serious behavioral problems that people have given up on. How many has he saved from being put down? Probably a lot more than his critics have.
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June 20, 2010, 11:20 am
Really you do not see anything wrong with the way he trains is dogs during the episodes??? I remember one in particular where a dog was very aggressive and after a struggle on the leash he so called "alpha rolled" the dog while it was pissing everywhere and during the process the dog was pissing everywhere until it was slammed to the ground, and then he's like "see you how he calmed down!
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June 20, 2010, 11:25 am
Darn there is only so many characters to fit i guess...The rest was about how Victoria Stilwell handles the same situation by actually UNDERSTANDING IT IS A LONG PROCESS AND THERE IS NOT "RIGHT NOW" FIX. She actually people the dog would be aggressive to, such as friends of dog owner, and has them work with treats over time to gain the dogs trust! Big difference and much more effictive for actual rehabilitation! If you think the above Cesar scenario is appropriate you have a lot of learning to do and should refrain from writing articles of things you have no knowledge of!.
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June 30, 2010, 10:03 pm
S.F. East Bay
You have hit the nail on the head with Ceasar. He is called in when no other dog trainer can handle an owner's dogs. As you have said, he is working with dogs who have major issues, most of the time. And those dogs with minor issues are rehabilitated in a very short time. I believe in leader of the pack training, and I also believe in positive reinforcement. A dog who is doing something unwanted must have consequences, then receive positive reinforcement when the correct behavior is achieved. As a dog walker who works with dogs every single day, I need to make sure the dogs know I am the leader. I am very sorry Daddy has passed on. http://thewoofblog.thewoofpack.com
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July 2, 2010, 11:59 pm
Chandler, AZ
I agree, that Cesar Millan does have some good sayings, but I saw a few episodes where he seemed to be a bit unfair. Like he says, its all the persons fault for making the dog act that way... Then why does he use mean methods to train the dogs? Like he said, its not their fault... So pretty much he is punishing them for something his owners do...
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July 19, 2010, 5:57 pm
Gosh, so Cesar has a double whammy...Daddy's death & his divorce.
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July 29, 2010, 4:55 am
Live Oak, Fl
I think most of you need to go back to your Webster's: Is it dominance or is it RESPECT?
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July 29, 2010, 8:20 pm
MC -Your an idiot.
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August 9, 2010, 10:39 pm
I'm sorry to hear about Daddy. It's always hard to lose the ones you love. It seems harder when it's your dog because in human time, he's here for just a short while. I also thought that this was a balanced article written about Cesar. Sometimes I think that people misunderstand some of the terms that he uses. For an example, the term "calm submissiveness". I grew up in a household where "submit" meant taking beatings to do something. Now when I hear the term "submit", I think of the term "beatings"; I don't think of calmly yielding to the situation. I was impressed the first time I saw Cesar's show. I couldn't believe he had so many dogs, some of them Pits & other strong breeds, in one area & there wasn't any dog fights. I saw that he was quick to read when a dog was getting excited & a quick touch & a sound brought them out of it. That's what made me a believer of his training. I've read his books & have been able to use some of his techniques, abet, his simple ones of touch & sound, to let my dogs know that they are doing something inappropriate. I also praise them immediately when they stop. Renee, when I read your post, you seemed to have missed the point on each story that you shared. Each instance the dog was OFF LEASH. It didn't matter what breed the dog was, the dog was off leash. I'm sure that if those dogs had been on leashes the incidents wouldn't have happened. I own 2 Pit Bulls & a Boston Terrier. When I take the Pits out in public & see another dog off leash, I avoid that dog like the plague. Even if the other dog got aggressive to my Pit, I'd be the one blamed if there was an attack. My husband is the one to go on the offensive & tells that owner to get their dog on a leash. Since my husband is 6ft tall & weighs about 250, there's no argument.
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August 28, 2010, 6:47 pm
Thank you so much for writing this. I'm a R trainer and I always tell people that Millan does more good then bad and that he has a lot of wonderful things to teach. Everything you wrote I agree with 100%. Thank you for this article! ^_^

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